The Gunstringer GS Review | 8.5 WTH?

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#51 Chris_Williams
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Ah it was Tom, guess no one will take him seriously anymore.JohnF111
not to side track this thread but this guy complains about stuff in infamous 2 that infamous 1 had and yet gives that a 9 and gives the sequel "which improves combat, graphics, adds things to the game, like a level editor, adds more variety" a 7.5. But wait no, its not just him its gamespot in general, pokemon black gets a 7.5 for being the same old same old according to the reviewer but yet black ops gets a 9 because its new and refreshing? but hey its one guys opinion, its just i stop coming here for reviews a loooooooong time ago.
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#52 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Got proof of that? Don't Gamespot themselves say that a good game is a good game by ANY standards - why do the specifics matter? We shouldn't need to compare this to anything, because the reviewers aren't - it's well recieved based upon it's own merits.Ravensmash
theres no way this game is reviewed like other games, just until a few weeks ago this game was going to be a downloadable title on XBLA but they decided to make it retail, so unless tom can come in here and confirm that it was judge like any other game i say this game was judge on a whole different scale then a game such as infamous 2

Why don't you PM him and ask about the score relating to other games? (serious) Staff often respond to PMs. Arguing the specifics is pointless, because we don't know of them - we don't know how standards vary. We do know that the game has recieved an 8.5 on it's own merit, which is of course higher than many games released this year.

hey man, i don't care for tom's score, i just looked at gameplay for it and its an on the rails game, i mean the things they were touting with kinect when it first came out "saying its the future and going to change gaming" , and all i'm seeing it used for is on the rails shooters, but thats another topic. a 8.5 is a great score i guess if i was on the fence about this game but this game isn't reviewed like other titles are, it still got a great score os who cares
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[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I'm guessing Kinect games aren't rated with the same standards.

Ravensmash

it's being rated by Wii standards.

Got proof of that? Don't Gamespot themselves say that a good game is a good game by ANY standards - why do the specifics matter? We shouldn't need to compare this to anything, because the reviewers aren't - it's well recieved based upon it's own merits.

While that's true in part, and a good game should always be a good game in theory, that doesn't preclude differing standards between groups that make scores incomparable. A Kinect 8.5 isn't necessarily meant to be compared to a Halo or a GTA.

"Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

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[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I'm guessing Kinect games aren't rated with the same standards.

Ravensmash

it's being rated by Wii standards.

Got proof of that? Don't Gamespot themselves say that a good game is a good game by ANY standards - why do the specifics matter? We shouldn't need to compare this to anything, because the reviewers aren't - it's well recieved based upon it's own merits.

While that's true in part, and a good game should always be a good game in theory, that doesn't preclude differing standards between groups that make scores incomparable. A Kinect 8.5 isn't necessarily meant to be compared to a Halo or a GTA.

"Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

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#55 WithoutGraceXII
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Saw the review and downloaded the demo. I'd encourage anyone with a kinect to do the same and give it a try, it controls better than any kinect game I've played yet, including Child of Eden.
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#57 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="iwasgood2u"] it's being rated by Wii standards. shinrabanshou

Got proof of that? Don't Gamespot themselves say that a good game is a good game by ANY standards - why do the specifics matter? We shouldn't need to compare this to anything, because the reviewers aren't - it's well recieved based upon it's own merits.

While that's true in part, and a good game should always be a good game in theory, that doesn't preclude differing standards between groups that make scores incomparable. A Kinect 8.5 isn't necessarily meant to be compared to a Halo or a GTA.

"Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

Fair enough response :P I just didn't want people downplaying the score saying "oh it's good by kinect standards lol!" Not that I'm particularly fussed as I likely won't play this game :( but an 8.5 is an 8.5!
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Got proof of that? Don't Gamespot themselves say that a good game is a good game by ANY standards - why do the specifics matter? We shouldn't need to compare this to anything, because the reviewers aren't - it's well recieved based upon it's own merits.Ravensmash

While that's true in part, and a good game should always be a good game in theory, that doesn't preclude differing standards between groups that make scores incomparable. A Kinect 8.5 isn't necessarily meant to be compared to a Halo or a GTA.

"Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

Fair enough response :P I just didn't want people downplaying the score saying "oh it's good by kinect standards lol!" Not that I'm particularly fussed as I likely won't play this game :( but an 8.5 is an 8.5!

I never thought Kinect had it in it to get an 8.5 but I'm not going to sit around here like some people and damage control either. That Kinect should incur such a strong reaction among these people says a lot about how obviously engrossed they are with the technology. I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of "Kinect is just a gimmick" threads regardless or perhaps because of this score.
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I never thought Kinect had it in it to get an 8.5Frostbite24
I thought it got an 8.5 last year with Dance Central already.

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#60 redskins26rocs
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http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/the-gunstringer/review.html?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B2

(Linking still won't work for me)

Looks like another killer app for Kinect. The review was done by Tom McShea, so basically this means The Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2

BPoole96
Don't care if it got a 10 I will never buy kinect (unless it is a gift) and if I want killer apps I will go on my phone
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[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]I never thought Kinect had it in it to get an 8.5shinrabanshou

I thought it got an 8.5 last year with Dance Central already.

Was that game an 8.5?! jeez based on all the hate Kinect gets here I never thought it got anything better than a 6.0.
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#62 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]I never thought Kinect had it in it to get an 8.5Frostbite24

I thought it got an 8.5 last year with Dance Central already.

Was that game an 8.5?! jeez based on all the hate Kinect gets here I never thought it got anything better than a 6.0.

Yeah, it was. Dance Central, and now Gunstringer, are the only AA+ exclusives 360 has had since Reach last September, which is why people keep saying MS abandoned their core demographic in order to push sales of a $150 peripheral.

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#63 weezyfb
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a good kinect game.. some people will be mad
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[QUOTE="jettpack"]

[QUOTE="Badosh"]Game worth checking out for kinect..? hmm..Ravensmash

yeah, looks like fun. but i doubt its the gameplay that makes that game special

But Gamespot reviews it as an overall package, with the emphasis on gameplay : \

thats fine but i personally doubt that the best thing about the game will be its gameplay

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/the-gunstringer/review.html?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B2

(Linking still won't work for me)

Looks like another killer app for Kinect. The review was done by Tom McShea, so basically this means The Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2

jettpack

are you kidding? they are totally different games and not even comparable. Trying to compare the Gunstringer to Infamous 2 is silly. Comparing the scores of any two games in different genres is dumb and makes no sense. infamous 2 getting a lower than the gunstringer definately DOESNT mean gamespot is saying "Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2." Do you honestly expect that with every review they do they go, "okay, we gave this game that came out years ago this score so we have to give this game a better one" dumb dumb dumb

Jeez sorry my remark offended you much Mr. Jettpack.

But Tom Mchea gave Infamous 2 a 7.5 just a few months ago, and has now given The Gunstringer an 8.5. So if I were to tell Tom that I was torn between buying either The Gunstringer or Infamous 2, it wouldn't make sense for him to recommend me a game that he didn't score as highly as another game. Therefore, The Gunstringer must be better than Infamous 2

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#66 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="jettpack"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/the-gunstringer/review.html?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B2

(Linking still won't work for me)

Looks like another killer app for Kinect. The review was done by Tom McShea, so basically this means The Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2

BPoole96

are you kidding? they are totally different games and not even comparable. Trying to compare the Gunstringer to Infamous 2 is silly. Comparing the scores of any two games in different genres is dumb and makes no sense. infamous 2 getting a lower than the gunstringer definately DOESNT mean gamespot is saying "Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2." Do you honestly expect that with every review they do they go, "okay, we gave this game that came out years ago this score so we have to give this game a better one" dumb dumb dumb

Jeez sorry my remark offended you much Mr. Jettpack.

But Tom Mchea gave Infamous 2 a 7.5 just a few months ago, and has now given The Gunstringer an 8.5. So if I were to tell Tom that I was torn between buying either The Gunstringer or Infamous 2, it wouldn't make sense for him to recommend me a game that he didn't score as highly as another game. Therefore, The Gunstringer must be better than Infamous 2

Are people really still that butthurt over Infamous 2?

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/the-gunstringer/review.html?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B2

(Linking still won't work for me)

Looks like another killer app for Kinect. The review was done by Tom McShea, so basically this means The Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2

redskins26rocs

Don't care if it got a 10 I will never buy kinect (unless it is a gift) and if I want killer apps I will go on my phone

Well if you received Kinect as a gift would you then try THe Gunslinger? I mean it did get an 8.5 on GameSpot...

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="jettpack"]are you kidding? they are totally different games and not even comparable. Trying to compare the Gunstringer to Infamous 2 is silly. Comparing the scores of any two games in different genres is dumb and makes no sense. infamous 2 getting a lower than the gunstringer definately DOESNT mean gamespot is saying "Gunstringer >>> Infamous 2." Do you honestly expect that with every review they do they go, "okay, we gave this game that came out years ago this score so we have to give this game a better one" dumb dumb dumb

FrozenLiquid

Jeez sorry my remark offended you much Mr. Jettpack.

But Tom Mchea gave Infamous 2 a 7.5 just a few months ago, and has now given The Gunstringer an 8.5. So if I were to tell Tom that I was torn between buying either The Gunstringer or Infamous 2, it wouldn't make sense for him to recommend me a game that he didn't score as highly as another game. Therefore, The Gunstringer must be better than Infamous 2

Are people really still that butthurt over Infamous 2?

My butt doesn't hurt :|

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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Jeez sorry my remark offended you much Mr. Jettpack.

But Tom Mchea gave Infamous 2 a 7.5 just a few months ago, and has now given The Gunstringer an 8.5. So if I were to tell Tom that I was torn between buying either The Gunstringer or Infamous 2, it wouldn't make sense for him to recommend me a game that he didn't score as highly as another game. Therefore, The Gunstringer must be better than Infamous 2

BPoole96

Are people really still that butthurt over Infamous 2?

My butt doesn't hurt :|

I said 'people'. Why'd you think I was talking about you? :P

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#70 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Are people really still that butthurt over Infamous 2?

FrozenLiquid

My butt doesn't hurt :|

I said 'people'. Why'd you think I was talking about you? :P

Well, you did quote me :P

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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.
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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.LOXO7

lol so a motion game would have to get a 10 in order for you to consider playing it???

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#73 TheXFiles88
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Wow, didn't expect to find so many buthurt haters in Kinect threads. It's time to move on kids. Lol...

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#74 Ravensmash
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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.LOXO7
I don't think it works how you think it works....
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#75 clone01
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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.LOXO7
So you're saying that SMG didn't deserve game of the year at this site?
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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.LOXO7

No, an 8.5 for a motion game is not 5.5 for a normal game. Using your analogy, that's like rating an action movie for its horror aspects. Quite simply, it's nonsensical, and you don't do it.

An 8.5 for a Kinect game is an 8.5 for a Kinect game. It's that simple. It simply means that not only is the game good, it uses the Kinect motion control sensor very well.

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#77 arbitor365
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Oh, a good Kinect game. Nice wo-

*Sees Tom McShea*

Oh, its an invalid review. My bad. :(

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my thoughts exactly

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#78 PatchMaster
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Can't believe I'm saying it, but a couple more good games and I might actually have to try Kinect.

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#79 Infinite_Access
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I never thought I'd see the day when gamers would be excited about crap like this... but I guess when some gamers are reduced to about 1 decent exlusive a year.. thats what happens.

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#80 Phazevariance
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It's about time. I can dust Kinect off and test it out again. Hasn't been anything worth playing since my wife accidentally bought it for me. She tried tho... she tried.

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#81 Vaasman
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8.5spot

Also wow I really expected absolutely nothing from this game so thats good.

I guess if anyone can take nothing and turn it into something it's twisted pixel.

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[QUOTE="Giancar"]Deus ex = R3 :shock: Deus Ex = Teh Kinect game :shock::shock:

my thoughts exactly. this is getting rediculous
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the game looks stupid. something a 4 yr old would find it fun. iwasgood2u
wow how ignorant.... looks to me like gunstringer > infamous 2. Maybe you shouldnt cast judgement till you play it.
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#85 PAL360
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Lol, another '360 kinect crap' that ended up surpassing it´s hype.

The demo was actually pretty fun. well done :P

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#86 PAL360
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Movies are rated based on the genre of movie it is or the audience it is for. I would like to think games are too, but never looked it up. A 8.5 for a motion game is like a 5.5 for a normal game. To me it's -3. But to websites it's -1. Because if it's not a 7 or above it's not passing -er I mean not good.LOXO7

Hmmm, that doesnt make any sense. Just happens that this game is better in it´s genre than other 'core´games at their genres.

Also, a recent low score for 'kinect standards':

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/rise-of-nightmares/index.html?tag=topten%3Bavailable%3B9

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#87 parkurtommo
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I remember seeing a demo in E3 that looked terrible they must've changed it a lot. I'm amazed at how this got such a good score. It's like gs isn't aloud to review games without them being 8.5. :?

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#88 ccagracing
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So Tom McShea is not credible now? If he had given Infamous 2 a 9 or 10 he would have been credible, he was credible when he gave Fable 3 a 7.5 thoughlol.

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So Tom McShea is not credible now? If he had given Infamous 2 a 9 or 10 he would have been credible, he was credible when he gave Fable 3 a 7.5 thoughlol.

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No he isn't. Fable 3 deserved a 6.5.
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#92 wooooode
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Reviews dont translate equally, many things come into play such as price and other games in the genre. Gunstringer seems funny though watching videos.
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#94 SecretPolice
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Oh snap, great score and the fun part is that's gonna peeve off a bunch of Kinect bashers here." sticks tongue out and gives teh raspberries ":P

It wouldn't have surprised me but perhaps GS was just too scared to give a Kinect game the AAAE nod.

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#95 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="ccagracing"]

So Tom McShea is not credible now? If he had given Infamous 2 a 9 or 10 he would have been credible, he was credible when he gave Fable 3 a 7.5 thoughlol.

DragonfireXZ95

No he isn't. Fable 3 deserved a 6.5.

Same guy reviewed Fable 2, which should have been a 6 tops.

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#97 xLittlekillx
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I have to admit, I wasn't aware that anybody actually owned a kinect.

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#98 SecretPolice
Member since 2007 • 45671 Posts

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Oh snap, great score and the fun part is that's gonna peeve off a bunch of Kinect bashers here." sticks tongue out and gives teh raspberries ":P

It wouldn't have surprised me but perhaps GS was just too scared to give a Kinect game the AAAE nod.

sts106mat

yep, time for heil68 to update that sig.

Oh no, he was all over this game brimming with so much confidence he even did a hype thread on the game because he was so sure it wouldn't flop. :shock:

I'm guessing even the most broken sarcasm detector will go off on that one. :P

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#100 skrat_01
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Looks like a really, really great game. Massive kudos to the developers for pulling it off.